capncosmo ([info]capncosmo) wrote,
@ 2009-03-09 23:23:00
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きっと僕らは輝きたくて生きる意味を探している
I've been up to a lot of stuff, including TRYING TO GET TO JAPAN. It's hard, man. Which is why, even though I've been keeping up with my dramas, I don't have any kansous for you today. Other then ASFKSDJNKSJN VOICE. Because, uh, yeah.

OH, COMPUTER WOES. So, I want a desktop, right? Because my laptop is sad and likely to die in a year and also not able to handle my obsessive multitasking. But. I don't want Vista. *shakes fist* VISTA! On the other hand, I'm not too enthused about switching to Mac and/or Linux. Why can't I just have XP!? I'll pay for it (even though I shouldn't have to)! Just give me XP! I guess I'll just have to wait until Windows 7 comes out and cross my fingers it's not HORRIBLE like VISTA. (Because that's happening.) ALAS.

Went to Ikea with Kate yesterday. We of course partook of the meatballs of my people, but then I bought a snake (shoehorn) and two more octopi (clothespin hanging things), since they had two new colors and my mom needed one since Mr. Tako-san is coming with me.

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And while we are talking about "my people". I've made a few comments in passing over here and and twitter and in other people's comments about "Racefail09," but I've mostly kept out of it. The reason why would be: the last time I got involved in a discussion of racism on LJ, there weren't any insults, or any angry words (I don't even think there were any grudges), but I started a conversation that was not relevant to the discussion, and. I learned not to do that. (Incidentally, I was able to contribute constructively in a different way, so: don't ever stay silent because you're afraid you might mess up; even if you do, like I did, that doesn't mean you can't contribute something valuable as well.) My experinces with racism are not relevant to the discussion, and I can't appropriate PoC's experiences in this country (and in others when it is brought up but that is a different discussion). It isn't my fandom, but it is my fight. And right when I'd decided to say something, the first post about it actually popped up on my flist.

If you don't know what I'm talking about (many of you probably don't, since we all play nicely in Toku/Arashi fandom (have I told you guys lately that I love you?)), I direct you to [info]metafandom and [info]rydra_wong. I urge you to read it, as much of it as you can. And then, if you feel like having all those powerful words followed by my disorganized thoughts, most of which is just a restating of points already made, come back.

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This all comes back to writing PoCs, in the discussion and in my current Racial Issues Conciousness. There was a post on [info]metafandom I don't even remember how long ago (so I'm sorry, no OCD linking) talking about the numbers of PoCs in fiction. IIRC, it was before the "Racefail" started, but I could be wrong.

I looked at the post and thought, as the post intended for me to do, "Am I portraying CoCs well?" And then I realized something: there was not a single person who looked like me in my fiction. (I have since written one fic with White People, making my current stats (out of 100 fics): 1% White People, 98% Japanese People.1) And then I figured.... This post did not apply to me, really. Because I didn't have any CoCs (Japanese people are not minorities in Japan), but I didn't *not* have any CoCs, either.2

It was a weird place to be. It *is* a weird place to be. To me, East Asians are not "Other," have never really been "Other," because I was so young when I started this, and then I went to a high school that was 60/40 White/Asian-American. It is physically jarring for me to think of Asians as Different from me, yet I am hyperaware of how I am Not Japanese, Outside Person. And as I prepare to willfully put myself in this situation again, I think of how I felt last time. How there was this giant, gaping, oozing wound in my chest that people were constantly digging their nails into and gouging further. And no one could see they were doing it.

But do you know what? After three weeks, I went home. I went back to my 60/40 high school with all my pleasantly pale friends, where the lines between White and Asian(-American) blurred and I could surround myself with comfortable things and people.

This has been said before, but I want to say it again: Racism does not disappear because you decide to stop talking about it. Just because you can "go home," it doesn't make the problem disappear. And a whole lot of people can't just "go home."


1That last 1% is Numbers, in case you were wondering. Why yes, I have written some weird things.
2You could argue that there are minorities living in Japan (Ainu, Displaced Koreans, Foreingers who've come to work, US Soldiers, Organized Criminals, etc.) and that I *am* ignoring them. But then please realize that there are littrally none in most of my canons. The ones there are are extremely minor chracters who exist only to speak English into a headset and look futuristic. And unlike the US, Japan is Not My Country.

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When I was in Japan, part of our program involved talking to two Ethnic Albanians living in Macedonia. They faced very real, very severe discrimination in Macedonia. And I remember thinking at the time, looking at the map, "Why don't they just emigrate to Albania?" I didn't know their particular financial situations, but Albania was close enough that they could have made it on foot if they had to go that way. My American, Army-brat perspective told me, freedom is more important than a specific bit of land, that in their situation I would have moved.

Discarding the fact that that is not taking into account their cultural specific perspective and the feelings of someone whose lived somewhere their entire lives, it wasn't a realistic solution to the problem. Because the problem was, "We want to eliminate the institutionalized racism in Macedonian society." Because even if all the Ethnic Albanians left, I bet there would be some other minority to oppress. My solution treated the symptom, not the disease, which was why it was no good.

The day before yesterday, my father engaged me in a discussion on Africa. He was saying how appalling it was that elected officials were not thinking for the good of their country instead of the good of their pocketbooks. And somehow it strayed into, "People need to see other people as other people," blaming tribal affiliations for the problems in Africa. Now aside from the fact that *that* problem has more to do with that time when drunk White dudes decided to draw squiggly lines across the continent at random, I couldn't really believe what I was hearing. How could you ask someone to give up their identity like that? Is that even really possible? And I think it is hard for him, because we are not Hypenated Americans, but. Just because "people should be perfect" is a solution, it doesn't mean it's constructive to the discussion.

"Can't we all just get along?" is not a valid solution. Because it treats a symptom, and not the disease. And that is never a great way to avoid a sudden death.

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I had a very surreal experience. I was expressing hurt due to a (different) -ism, and a friend got very upset, saying I had no cause to be offended by the particular thing I was offended by. At the time, I didn't recognize that was the reason for the hurt in my chest (I instead explained *why* I found the thing offensive, since the initial expression had been a sentence that was almost a throw-away), but the more I thought about it, especially as she proceeded to express to me how hurt she was I had taken offense to that thing, the more I didn't know what to feel.

Had I hurt her feelings? Yes. It doesn't matter that she wasn't listening to what I said, about how this was a cultural context that didn't include her, because when people get hurt they tend not to. Maybe that's not the best reaction, but it's the human one. And I felt bad, because no one wants to hurt their friends.

But. I was also angry and hurt myself. Why was her hurt valid but mine wasn't? Why wouldn't my own friend listen to me? Why wouldn't she give me the benefit of the doubt? Is that what she really thought of me?

I decided not to say anything. And I'm still not, in the sense that I still don't know how to feel about it, and I do not want it referenced or brought up in the comments in case you are somehow aware of what happened. But I do want to use this story to make two points:

You may not dictate someone's feelings or thoughts to them. Because you're not them, you can't know what they're thinking. This is a problem people tend to have when arguing, attacking the persons's feelings/thoughts (i.e. themselves) and not the actions and consequences of those actions. Don't do this. Please, don't.

This is not a clean, clear-cut battle of good and bad. Because while concepts can be "good" or "evil," it is very rare you find a real, flesh-and-blood person you can characterize that way. And I'm not going to say "let's all give each other the benefit of the doubt," because PoCs have enough to worry about without having to consider the feelings of White People, clueless or malicious. (Besides, the PoCs-and-their-allies side is already 25x politer and better at citing things to make well-reasoned arguments.) But if you're on the privileged side of the debate especially, you need to stitch this on a sampler and hang it above your monitor. Because swinging your privilege around wildly will hurt people. People.





And so that is what I have to say on the subject. Again, I urge listening to the people linked on [info]metafandom and [info]rydra_wong over me. But, silence was not an acceptable option. It never is.

If this is unacceptable for you to have someone on your flist saying, remember it's always defriending amnesty day. And friending amnesty day, for that matter.




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[info]arionhunter
2009-03-10 05:28 am UTC (link)
And I'm not going to say "let's all give each other the benefit of the doubt," because PoCs have enough to worry about without having to consider the feelings of White People, clueless or malicious.

I think this is what, by far, got me most - the idea that "if people were just somehow *politer,* none of this would have happened!" That because they are good Privileged people, clearly they all deserve cookies of trust.

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-10 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that's really... I *do* believe firmly in smacking down your opponent politely to make it that much awesomer, but in cases like this when people are under attack the "tone argument" is just grasping at straws

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[info]reka
2009-03-10 06:40 am UTC (link)
You can buy XP.

Re: Africa--

Yes, squiggly lines. I also say that it's really hard for someone who doesn't trust their country/society to be able to help them to not look out for themselves first. And there are people who use their ethnic identification to excuse inexcusable things (e.g. Zuma) in every part of the world.

I have been getting annoyed lately at Standard Edgy Liberal College Student Politics lately, because nobody I talk to at school seems capable of understanding that nothing is simple and raging against something just because it seems terrible is incredibly stupid if you don't understand why it is happening. People do not just cut education and health care because one day they wake up and ask themselves "why not? It's unimportant anyway."

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-10 07:49 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, but then I'd have to install it. :P

I also say that it's really hard for someone who doesn't trust their country/society to be able to help them to not look out for themselves first.

This. Yes.

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[info]nicocoer
2009-03-10 11:39 am UTC (link)
♥ ♥ ♥

I had the courage to write up my feelings on this topic when I saw you did.

Then I chickened out and privated mine, because I am a wimp. :-/

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-10 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Hey man, you gotta participate how you feel comfortable :D

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[info]nekokaze
2009-03-10 12:50 pm UTC (link)
Unfortunately no time to read the rest now, so I'll just comment on Vista/7:

A) Vista really isn't that bad, and has neat things.
B) 7 is liked by everyone I know that's tried it. (I've been too lazy to install my beta(s).)
C) If you buy/get Vista now, you get 7 when it comes out. (This may be subject to some specific things, but basically it's this as far as I know.)

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[info]lillianloop
2009-03-10 03:41 pm UTC (link)
I swear to god, it is like Windows AIDS.

(Baby, just get a mac. It's beautiful over here.)

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-10 07:51 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but then will my software and my hard drives work?

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-10 07:51 pm UTC (link)
A) My problem with Vista is all the creepy controlling big brothery stuff it does, and... I'm not sure 7 is going to be any better? I SHOULD JUST STOP USING WINDOWS.
B) I've heard that too (^^)
C) I did not know that! Thx for the tip~

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[info]nekokaze
2009-03-10 08:27 pm UTC (link)
A) What do you mean? I can only think of is the User Account Control system (which is honestly kind of annoying) and DRM stuff (which I haven't really run into). UAC is actually getting a fair bit nicer in 7. You'll be able to set what level at which UAC activates (rather than just on/off), and the default will be "Anything not a Windows component" (which removes most UAC activations). There were some issues with a vulnerability but they seem to be resolved.

I don't know, I'm just really of the opinion that you either use Windows for wide compatibility or just completely jump to a Linux distro. Mac would never really be an option for me, I don't think.

C) It looks like it's actually not yet been confirmed (though the documents purporting it are still out there), so I wouldn't be 100% certain. It's what they've done in the past, so it's near-sure. It's really what the start date is for the program.

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-11 12:51 am UTC (link)
A) What about all the annoying security pop ups? Is that was UAC is? And I read about how it will only install things with signed drivers (which, p.s., only Microsoft certifies them "signed" and charges for it). Well, plus, I mean. I had a long hard fight with XP to make it let me do what I wanted to do sometimes...

I just really need to switch to Linuxxxxxxxxxxxxx orz

C) Woo! Although, since I'm not going to go after in the week before I leave, and 7 is supposedly coming out in like two months, it probably won't be a problem for me.

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[info]nekokaze
2009-03-11 04:07 am UTC (link)
A) Yeah that's what UAC is.
I don't know, I've never had a driver issue, but I guess it depends on whether you foresee needing odd non-mainstream equipment. (Signing authorities charging doesn't really phase me.)

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-11 11:06 am UTC (link)
I think it might be a problem with older equiptment too? Some of which I definitely have. On the other hand, I do have XP telling me it doesn't work with my webcam every time I plug it in... (Which is a blatant lie, as you know.)

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[info]nekokaze
2009-03-10 01:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure what point you were developing about your dad's opinions. Do you feel that the degree of tolerance you aspire to see in the world is possible when groups think of other groups as less human than themselves? I think it is clear that it would be wrong to strip identities here—but these two things are not equal. One can appreciate differences of subclasses while being most aware of a superclass. Essentially, inclusive does not mean blind to difference.

It seems this "differential" way of thinking is very much the disease—the problem is that it's difficult if not impossible to treat itself.

So yeah I guess I just don't understand your point of view?

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-10 07:58 pm UTC (link)
The point about my dad was two fold. First, he was essentially saying people should be perfect. That they should actually do their jobs and not hate people and live and let live. And my point was, you can't just say that. Because people can never be perfect.

My father's other idea was, people needed to lose their tribal affiliations (or what have you) so there would stop being a reason for fighting. And my point about that was, you can't just change people's identities that way. People don't need to all be "xxx-ian" to get along with each other, and asking them to do it would erase their heritage and culture.

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[info]nekokaze
2009-03-10 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Well, maybe saying that isn't enough. But it seems useful to point out that these are the kinds of changes we should be working towards. It's certainly a possible sort of change to make—whatever problems the developed world still has, it seems clear we've made some strides.

In terms of his other idea (which is really what I was keying in on), was that what he was saying? I guess I misunderstood your representation of him. It seemed in your telling that he was saying that people should discard their feelings of tribal supremacy or tribal fanaticism—not necessarily their affiliation. That's not what "see[ing] other people as other people" says to me. To me that's the exact thing we want—to discard levels of tribal dedication above an affiliation and moderate group support system.
(I'm actually a bit more fanatical in thinking tribalism is evil, and so I think we optimally shouldn't treat each other differently at all. I think that's unfortunately a. probably impossible and b. probably creates a barrier against a goal of maintaining the identity itself.)

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-11 12:47 am UTC (link)
I edited the paragraph a little to hopefully be a little more clear and also remove 25 million spelling errors.

I'm not saying that keeping in mind your enemies are other *people* is a bad thing (actually, I think I said that up there in bold :P), but... I was trying more to make the point that people aren't helping when they say "well, this is how things *should* be," when that's not happening ever/requires a cultural sacrifice. It's sort of derailing the conversation. Not really maliciously, but still, it takes the focus on understanding the current reality. Or I think so, anyway.

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[info]nekokaze
2009-03-11 04:15 am UTC (link)
(Oh no you didn't there's no bold up there about thattt. [Alternatively: wait what I don't see anything seriously am I blind?])

I suppose my question is when you say "well, this is how things *should* be" is the "this" "everyone thinks of everyone else as fundamentally like themselves" or "all group identity is lost"? Because if it's the former, I think the belief that it's never happening is defeatist and should be fought at every turn. And with that thought, it wouldn't really be derailing the conversation because it would be just talking about ultimate philosophical goals. (Especially if it's a casual personal conversation, rather than some great policy debate.)

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-11 11:13 am UTC (link)
(Well maybe I didn't bold that bit *specifically*, but it's the main idea of the last paragraph?)

I guess... Usually when people say "people should just do xx," that's a conversation ender on their part. Not just about this, but about anything. And everybody already *knows* that solution. I guess I just object to someone saying "well the world should just be perfect" like is solves everything. Which is different from "I hope someday in the future the world will be perfect" or "We need to work on making the world more perfect" or especially "we need to work on making the world more perfect and here's a way we can do that."

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[info]moonbyrd
2009-03-10 01:56 pm UTC (link)
VOICEVOICEVOICEVOICE

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-10 07:52 pm UTC (link)
INORITE INORITE INORITE

(I was so scared in that flash montage it was the last episode and I had somehow mssed the memo.)

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[info]katzedecimal
2009-03-11 03:01 am UTC (link)
=^o.| ummmmmmmmm... hope i'm not too rude butting in... <.< I occasionally read the member flists of my comms... butttttttt..... If you're considering Linux.. I can recommend Linux Mint (happy user, me) It's about as close to plug'n'play as it gets, even moreso than Ubuntu. And I'd be happy to lend support if you need. *wavies* *slinks away again* -.-;; ~~|

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-11 03:28 am UTC (link)
Thank you for your advice (^__________^)/

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[info]katzedecimal
2009-03-11 03:33 am UTC (link)
You're welcome ^_^;; If you want/need help, please feel free to stalk me on my LJ or shout me on [info]piper_trickster (which was the flist I was perusing) Mint is the distro that was the ticket off the MS train for me and several of my friends. Best of luck to you ^_^;;

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[info]toranoko
2009-03-11 01:14 pm UTC (link)
You should give in and get a Mac! Even though they (unless Leopard is different) won't read any Windows formatted drive! XD
They can be dual booted though. But, I don't think you want to do that on your own.

Any ways, wherever you are getting your computer from, you could always try calling and requesting XP.

There is always the install on your own method - which, really, isn't hard. It's mostly booting from disk, picking a few options, and letting the installer do the work. Although, to be honest, I've only installed XP once. You will probably have some driver issues - but, uh, that's what Google's for? XD

Also, I heard Vista is OK (from a usability standpoint) if you have a crap load of RAM. My friend had 2GB and a new laptop with Vista, and I know he regretted his purchase. So, uh, get at least 4GB of RAM if you go with Vista?

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[info]capncosmo
2009-03-11 04:56 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, I think I'm just going to wait. I probably end up giving in to 7 in the end~~

The RAM is really the problem. I have a lot of trouble getting my computer to handle what I do *now*, so I'm worried about adding a gigantamous operating system to the mix.

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